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Today we will discuss someone described as the “spiritual leader” of alleged murders Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, alleged abuser Tim Ballard, and recently-imprisoned Jodi Hildebrandt.

Thom Harrison is a prominent Utah therapist who published a book called “Visions of Glory” in 2012, focusing on three of his alleged near death experiences (including personal visitations from Jesus Christ). As has been uncovered over the past few years, Thom Harrison’ and his book “Visions of Glory” have been highly influential across the Mormon “prepper” neo-fundamentalist community, and particularly in the lives and stories of Chad Daybell, Lori Vallow, Tim Ballard, Jodi Hildebrant, as well as other “preppers” such as Julie Rowe, Rod Meldrum, and alleged abuser-therapist Maurice Harker.

Part of what has made Visions of Glory so successful is that Thom (through the pseudonym Spencer) claims in his book that his visions were approved of by an un-named Mormon apostle (who now is known to be the late Neal A. Maxwell).

Finally, we will discuss how the Mormon church was made aware of Thom Harrison and his book in the 2012-2013 time period, and chose to promote Thom to bishop instead of to punish him and/or stop the publishing of his book.

Lauren Matthias (Hidden True Crime Podcast), Megan Connor (Lori Vallow’s cousin), and Mindy Caldwell (Mormon super-sluether) will be joining us for this panel discussion.

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  1. Rachel October 19, 2023 at 8:32 pm - Reply

    Has this podcast ever talked about hypnogogic hallucinations? For those that may not be familiar with them, basically, they are fairly common hallucinations that only happen when a person is falling asleep but hasn’t fallen asleep yet. These are NOT associated with disorders the way other hallucinations are, but they are nevertheless hallucinations. Examples include thinking you hear the doorbell ring, hearing your child say mom/dad, seeing someone next to your bed, seeing shapes, feeling someone sit next to you, etc. I have had quite a few myself and if I didn’t know what they were, I can see how I would easily think there were spirits, ghosts, etc. around me. I think people need to know about these because they probably account for a fair amount of “otherworldly” experiences. Obviously not everything mentioned in this episode can be attributed to hypnogogic hallucinations, but it’s an interesting point to consider. Personally, anytime I’m listening to a vision-type story that someone starts with “I was going to bed and hadn’t fallen asleep yet…” I mentally assume they’re going to tell me about a hypnogogic hallucination.

  2. Alan October 22, 2023 at 12:23 pm - Reply

    I would say that there is a mormon teaching that everything needs to be created spiritually before physically.
    I could see how that teaching might then evolve into plants, furniture or other iniamate objects being able to communicate and need to praise good/ ask for repentance.

  3. Maggie Rayner October 22, 2023 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    As I listen I continue to be amazed that anyone could fall for it, just as I am amazed at how much personal power members give over to the direction of Mormon doctrine and Mormon leaders. I am saddened at the same time as my parents gave their lives to this system. They remained children unable to parent the “too many children” they obediently produced.

  4. Gerianne Nehring October 23, 2023 at 7:52 pm - Reply

    Love this panel ! you helped us all stomach this trash in a funny way to help lessen the negative effects on our thoughts!! so interesting and yet so sad!
    You are right, tragic reality!
    I am getting confused though … who is experiencing all this in the book in relation to who wrote the book and to Spencer and to the therapist???? I am confusing the people involved.

    Now i just pray I don’t have nightmares tonight!!

  5. ldsabuse October 23, 2023 at 8:25 pm - Reply

    Is there a transcript? I just can’t listen to that voice, when I know how it’s used when he’s not performing.

  6. Gerianne Nehring October 23, 2023 at 9:40 pm - Reply

    above note continued… the end of podcast explains the people in greater detail. so i think i get it now. whewwww what a racquet.

  7. Dianne Burnett October 24, 2023 at 10:07 pm - Reply

    Within any large group of people, you’ll find the gullible, those claiming to be leaders and people willing to follow. Others that are sensible and not part of the drama and that do not place other humans on pedestals. others needing to be important and given some extra power. there are as well good leaders that empower people to be strong and that are not self serving and that warn against relying on others that would deceive while warning additionally against prideful behavior . others wrapped up in the mystery and spirituality seeking to be Chosen, where they are only great in their own minds, a the few that follow them. Broad paint brushes cross many lines.

  8. Jon October 25, 2023 at 2:57 am - Reply

    People starting to believe that their new thoughts about “portals” are especially profound, right since they all started to have their own internet connections.

  9. Robert Hodge October 27, 2023 at 9:11 am - Reply

    The book is a Joke. But so am I. I bought the darn thing, This book is all about see how much money you can make from the rubes.

  10. Robert Hodge October 27, 2023 at 11:48 am - Reply

    I saw the obvious fraud when the author did his initial set up. He set it up to make it impossible to verify any claim. The apostle is no longer with us and therefore unable to confirm the conversations. The visionary tells his story to the author only after being instructed by the apostle what his name would be. After that I read about two pages and recognized the setup and the obvious hook for mystical (Liahona) Mormons. The book is made more credible by the reciting of parallels to accepted doctrines and cosmological views.

  11. Emily Wilson November 22, 2023 at 11:41 am - Reply

    The picture of the eternal core group, I’m blown away because the one just above the author, Alema Harrington, came every week and spoke to us when I was in Inpatient treatment for depression and addiction!

  12. Emily Wilson November 22, 2023 at 11:45 am - Reply

    I know Alema Harrington pictured right above the author, I’m blown away that he is part of this group!😮

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