Join John Dehlin and YouTubers Jordan and McKay (@jordanmckay) to discuss the recent arrest of Mormon YouTube Mom Ruby Franke of “8 Passengers” fame and Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt on child abuse charges. We will be discussing the history of the Franke family and the 8 Passengers YouTube channel, as well as the super-controversial work of Jodi Hildebrandt as a Mormon therapist focusing on “sexual addiction” (i.e. masturbation), marriage counseling, and parenting. We welcome your stories as well!
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Show Notes:
- Jordan and McKay – Playlist for 8 Passengers
- Jordan and McKay – YouTube
- Jordan and McKay – Patreon
- Jordan and McKay Episode – Ex Mormons React 8 Passengers Mom ARRESTED
- Dr. Julie Hanks – website
- Dr. Julie Hanks – Instagram
- Dr. Julie Hanks – Facebook
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Other
- Jodi Hildebrandt website
- The King of Random – TKOR
- For the Strength of Youth standards – pamphlet
- LDS Addiction and Recovery
- Salt Lake Tribune – Porn therapist disciplined for telling church, BYU about man
- Salt Lake Tribune – Parenting advice YouTuber Ruby Franke arrested in Utah on suspicion of child abuse
- Adam Paul Steed
- Recovering Agency by Luna Lindsay Corbden
- Combating Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan
- DCFS.gov
- Abby M Benson on Tik Tok
- Mormon Mental Health Association
In modern Mormon theology, there is really no room for mercy. Justice must always be satisfied. Which is why we have heard so many talks trying to contort the concept of forgiveness and atonement. They will use all sorts of metaphors to explain how, one way or another, you gotta pay the piper (e.g. the Savior paid the price for your sins, but now he is the mortgage holder, to whom you must still pay the utmost farthing).
This absence of mercy must be one of the main reasons for the parenting approach taken by Jodi and so many other mormon parents. Accountability must be taught and experienced by children. Kids must fully experience the “consequences” of their actions (i.e. kids must miss lunch, be kicked out of their bedrooms, etc etc).
Disgusting.
Why hasn’t the husband been arrested?
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