“Over three decades of Christian ministry, Bart became increasingly committed to building loving relationships, working for social justice and cultivating a sense of gratitude for the wonders of life. Now, as a community builder, counselor, podcaster, and humanist chaplain at the University of Southern California, he inspires and supports non-believers who are banding together to actively pursue goodness in an openly secular way.”


In this episode, Bart and John interview each other about their experiences in building secular communities of support after leaving organized religion.  With their respective backgrounds in Evangelical Christianity and Mormonism, the conversation centers around the nuances of religion and the challenges each creates for those seeking community after a faith transition.

Why I Left, Why I Stayed by Tony and Bart Campolo



  1. Court Wilson July 17, 2017 at 1:16 pm - Reply

    This was such a wonderful episode and really touched my heart. I was left with so many questions on how I can do a better job in my community to love those and serve those in my community. I’m on the other side of growing up Mormon. I’ve been out of the church for years, am now in a nondenominational congregation, but wan to help others more. I want others to have opportunities in life. Thank you for this podcast and for broaching a sensitive subject.

  2. John oreilly July 30, 2017 at 4:07 pm - Reply

    John thus podcast is not loading . Not sure if others are experiencing difficulties
    Cheers JOHN oreilly

  3. David August 8, 2017 at 2:34 pm - Reply

    John and Bart, thanks so much for this wonderful dialogue. As someone who is considering leaving my Presbyterian church, and who has had a long-time intellectual interest in Mormonism (and anti-Mormonism), I found your discussion to be incredibly enlightening.

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