John Dehlin has never been so lucky!
He’s joined today by the folks who have been dubbed “The Britvengers”, a collection of progressive and post Mormons who all have one thing in common, they’re British!
They will be discussing what is being called “The British Rescue”. On Halloween Weekend 3 Senior Apostles are coming and addressing the UK membership. Is this a rescue?
The Britvengers are:
- Nemo the Mormon https://www.youtube.com/c/NEMOTHEMORMON
- Peter Bleakley https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNYIeulcLs85NLINDyxzHQQ
- 21st Century Saints https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLESyNtVAdYF52HVt5Cu-Ew
- Laura & Julian Heath https://www.facebook.com/groups/143828186747679
- Priesthood Dispatches https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx5yNRufseSR_JxYC8GJ2iA
Show Notes:
- 21st Century Saints Podcast
- 21st Century Saints’ interview with John Dehlin
- Mormon Civil War Podcast
- Sunstone UK
- Priesthood Dispatches blog and podcast
- Nemo the Mormon Podcast
- Zelph on the Shelf
- “Remembering the Swedish Rescue” on Mormon Stories
- Mormon Stories’ interview with Douglas Stilgoe
- Mormon Stories’ interview with Tom Phillips about the Second Anointing
- “Leaders and Managers,” Address by Hugh Nibley at BYU in 1983
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I dont believe all GA 70s go through the second anointing… if so, why excommunicate Elder James Hamula?
The only thing this episode was missing was bumper music at the end by Bryan Adams (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0pdQU87dc8).
Wow!! You all are amazing. Thank you for all you are doing and more please!!
Just a half hour in and you’re getting a lot of “amens” from me. The last time I attended an area conference as a member was maybe 15-20 years ago with Hinckley Monson and Holland. I felt Iike I was at some kind of walk down memory lane while I was waiting for some kind of heavenly message. So it sounds like absolutely nothing has changed. I only drove an hour but others drove hours to be there. That’s the moment I started to really began to doubt.
As an ex Mormon Brit now living in the US I found this podcast fascinating. I don’t even have words for the completely useless visit of the apostles and their equally useless non-message for the members in the UK. It’s all been said, very eloquently by The Britvengers. I found the stats interesting and believable. I’m both sad that the church as I knew it back in the day is disappearing, and happy that the members are learning the truth about the fiction it’s based on. As a member both in the UK and US, I gave a lot in terms of money and service over the years, but honestly, as soon as I found out the truth about the BOM, Joseph Smith, the Book of Abraham…I found it easy to leave. I wasn’t going to waste one more day. I sympathize with those who find it hard to leave because of everything they invested, but everyone has to process this in their own way.
A huge thank you to The Britvengers, also John and Samantha. I hope to see more podcasts with UK post and progressive Mormons in the future.
As I have been listening to this podcast it occurred to me the apostle who said “gone are the days when simply bearing your testimony will address difficult church issues” is doing just that. I’m referring to Elder Ballard.
Great episode!
One comment: I wish when we talked about the second annointing we would give more context. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young envisioned this as an ordinance everyone who went to the temple would get. It is also called the fullness of the priesthood, and is the final ordinance of the temple. In fact, they viewed the temple (I know JS’s views on the temple changed throughout his life–I am referencing his final phase) as a vehicle to administer the second annointing. All other rituals were preparatory to that. As with everything in the LDS Church, this has changed over time.
Let me just say thank you so much! This was excellent. Some people don’t believe me when I tell them that my mission president, and countless BYU professors/bishops/devotional speakers told me what Ballard told these church members in the UK. It’s time to find a wife, and it’s time to have kids, the earlier you start the better. It may have been possible to get married without 2 nickels to rub together in the 50s, it was much less possible in 2000 when I got married. It’s absolutely terrible advice today. This was a great episode overall.