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Were the 8 witnesses to Joseph Smith’s golden plates actually credible? Or just gullible relatives caught up in his delusion? Shockingly candid statements from witnesses like Hiram Page and John Whitmer seem to contradict and undermine official LDS teachings about their testimonies. What are the implications of the past witnesses on today’s modern church?

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  1. Jacinto May 10, 2024 at 3:25 pm - Reply

    Thanks for the show. I very much enjoyed it. I have an issue with the eight witnesses’ statement, and would love to know what you guys think of it. It is where they say, “as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands.” Now let’s grant they saw and handled leaves with engravings on them. Now, they wouldn’t be able to read them; only Joseph Smith could. So they would have no way of knowing whether the Book of Mormon really was a translation of whatever was engraved on the plates or not. If you give me a text in English and another in my native Portuguese, I’ll tell you whether one is a translation of the other; but give me a page with Chinese characters, and I won’t have a clue. Is it only me who thinks this is a weakness in the eight witnesses’ testimony? I haven’t seen this issue addressed anywhere, and would love to know what you think of it.

    • Jacinto May 22, 2024 at 1:29 pm - Reply

      Ok, I’m replying to myself. Because I hadn’t seen the issue I raised above addressed anywhere, but now I have. After I listened to the programme on the eight witnesses I went and listened to the programme on the three, and there it was: A guy in the 1880s had already made my point, and lot more clearly than I did too: namely, none of the eight could read the plates, so they were in no position to state that “as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands;” the fact that they stated it anyway, what does that say about them? I wonder why you guys didn’t bring this issue back up again in the eight-witnesses programme…

  2. Robert M Hodge May 11, 2024 at 1:51 pm - Reply

    Mike, by faith I declare that you drank from a blue cup. I see that sacred event with eyes of faith as though I see a blue cup through a mountain.

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