In this episode, we dive into Chapter Eight of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by John G. Turner, focusing on the fall of 1830 through the move to Kirtland, Ohio. We explore major challenges to Joseph Smith’s authority, including Hiram Page’s seer stone revelations and Oliver Cowdery’s pushback on church governance. Why did Joseph stop using a seer stone? What does it mean when revelations clash?

We also discuss:
-The origins of the concept of Zion
-Apocalyptic expectations, blood moons, and the Second Coming
-The influence of the Book of Enoch and Joseph’s expanding biblical vision
-Missionary work among Native Americans and the designation of Jackson County as the New Jerusalem
-Sidney Rigdon’s introduction and influence, including debates about his possible prior contact with Joseph Smith
-The emotional and financial sacrifices demanded of early followers—and what Joseph himself was giving up (or not)

With theological innovation, power struggles, failed prophecies, and spiritual fervor, this chapter reveals the complexity of Joseph Smith’s evolving leadership. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that considers both historical context and human motivations.