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Sarah Edmondson and Nippy Ames are our guests for this epic Mormon Stories interview where we discuss their escape from the NXIVM cult. We discuss the similarities between NXIVM leader Keith Raniere and Joseph Smith, including secret societies existing within the larger group, and the similar tactics used to control so many people.

Sarah and Nippy share which vulnerabilities led them to become involved in NXIVM and once they were in, what tactics were used to get them to ignore red flags and their own instincts, even as far as Sarah allowing herself to be “branded” with Keith Raniere’s initials on her skin. How does one “wake up” after being willing to go so far?

Sarah and Nippy share their paths to regaining control of their own minds and bodies to face the hard truth about what they used to believe–and how they turn that devastation into a united determination to expose Keith for what he really is to the world. We hope you’ll resonate with Sarah and Nippy’s fascinating and gripping story!

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  1. Tracy November 26, 2021 at 10:32 am - Reply

    “It was my community”. When Sarah said that I cried. Totally sums up the mixed feelings of leaving the church and being free but also losing community. Thank you Sarah and nippy!

  2. Bryn Dean November 30, 2021 at 8:34 pm - Reply

    Thanks so much for this interview. I enjoyed hearing more of Nippys story. I agree with the above comment about community. There’s just so much loss.

  3. Nate November 30, 2021 at 9:55 pm - Reply

    Where do I find the “show notes” that are mentioned in the podcast?

    • MARYIRENE ALLEN December 30, 2021 at 10:55 am - Reply

      Where can I also find the show notes for this episode?

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