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  1. Perhaps someone can help me understand. The desire for different pronouns (outside of the traditional “he” and “she”) is reasonable. But why go to plural pronouns such as “they” / “them”. Doesn’t this create more confusion? I certainly am not attempting to be disrespectful, but am confused with the use of plural pronouns referring to a singular person.

    1. There could be confusion to untrained ears, but there is precedent for this, specifically second person pronouns are both non-gendered and the same whether plural (“you”) or singular (“you), so why must third person pronouns be gendered AND also be different in singular rather than plural?

      The English language is unusual as compared to other Indo-European languages in that almost all pronouns are non-gendered: ie third person plural (they/them/their), first person singular (I/me/mine) and plural (we/our/ ours) second person singular (you/you/your) and second person plural (you/you/yours), third person thing (it/its). Third person singular is the only gendered pronoun (he/him/his and she/her/hers) in our language.

      As noted above, in English the second person singular and second person plural are the same word, that is to say “you” is both singular and plural, other than the possessive tense (your/yours). Nonbinary people are simply making the third person singular and second person plural the same as well (they/them/theirs).

      There is also a historical basis for doing so. Old English had a lot more pronouns than modern English, including more gendered pronouns, and in the transition from Old to Middle to modern English, many pronouns have been dropped (e.g., thee/thy/thou). Early modern English speakers and writers sometimes used “they/them/their” as a third person singular term, and there are many instances of these terms being used as third person singular in literature until approximately the 1800s.

  2. I find it almost unbelievable that ELECTRO-SHOCK and WATER-BOARDING were being used in 2016 to “cure gayness”. WTF?!? John, why didn’t you ask more about this so-called therapist who’s taking people into his basement and torturing them? This guy should be arrested. Has he been? Is he still doing this? A few years back, much of the U.S was really upset that the government was using water-boarding on suspected terrorists and we’ve got this guy in Utah water-boarding gay people in his basement? I can give a tiny bit of leeway to people in the 1970’s for doing this kind of thing, but in 2016 there is absolutely no excuse.

    I thought you should have spent a little more time asking about this torturer. In all honestly, I almost don’t believe it’s true. If it is, we’ve got to stop this guy. Can someone reassure me that this guy isn’t still out there doing this?

    1. Agreed, waterboarding was banned by executive order in 2009 in interrogation of government detainees. It’s inexplicable that someone holding themselves out as trained professional of any kind would be doing this in 2016. That guy needs to be held accountable.

  3. Regarding the recent study that the church is better for lgbtq+ youth than no religion. Here are the flaws in my opinion. First the people who struggle may leave the church, so saying the ones that are here are not struggling does not show that the church does not cause youth to struggle just that those that struggle leave. Also specifically the LDS church discourages youth from pairing off, and dating. I feel youth are therefore able to delay coming to grips with their sexuality until adulthood. If you do not have to pair off you can group date and avoid the concept altogether. When these youth age out of the young W/M program they then are confronted with their sexuality; the damage done in youth is not realized until adulthood. Additionally, the study is comparing Mormonism against no religion, not Mormonism against all religions, or Mormonism against all people religious.

  4. So I am a conservative guy in my 60s and not anti-gay at all, but have not really given enough thought to the huge struggles young gay people can face. This podcast has actually changed my life. Thank you Nate, you are a very very impressive person.

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