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  1. john,

    thanks for the good work. love that ms is back. and thanks danzigs for sharing.

    who did the music on this podcast. i love it. can we download it somewhere?

  2. Exceptional interview John, it captures the sincerity of the Danzigs, and their journey and experiences very well. Personally I’ve not ever met a more compassionate or kinder couple. Looking forward to hearing part 2.

  3. John, please take this the right way: You need to up the quality of the audio. May I make a suggestion? I use a pocket sized digital recording device that is top in its class and quite affordable. It would become the one tool that will be available all the time and produce exception sound quality — not motor sounds, and a snap to upload and edit. It’s the Edirol R-09HR. I purchased mine at:


  4. I’m so anxious to hear Part 2 of the Danzig’s presentation. With two gay brothers and a gay son, I have more than a passing interest in the church’s attitude toward gays and its involvement in prop 8. The proposition ended my tithing to the church and damaged my continued sojourn in our faith, sadly after standing with the church for half a century.

  5. John, dude! Where’s part 2????? I was sitting at breakfast listening and thought, “Oh, this is the good part, I can’t wait to hear what’s next” and then the music started and it was the end of part 1. You really know how to keep us hanging.

    (No pressure, I know you have a lot to do and the interview was long and I’m sure you’re working on it.)

  6. When we are born, we awaken in the midst of a profound mystery. Einstein acknowledged that all of his scientific work was little more than “child’s play” in the face of such dazzling mystery. Joseph Smith awakened in the midst of the same mystery, and it is time to acknowledge that he was equally helpless before it.

    Until our discussion of the “Mormon Problem” and the “Prophet Puzzle” makes a quantum leap to new levels of wonder and humility, we will see Danzigs stacked upon Danzigs like leaves before a thunderstorm. We might have learned from the Holocaust that Reality will allow incomprehensible levels of human suffering as long as human beings insist on trying to stretch their puny arms and brains around Mystery and confine it within the chains of human language and human desire.

  7. Whoa. Heavy.

    But what other option to we have? We try to comprehend the mystery as best we can with our finite capabilities. I love that humans / children of God have the capacity to wonder. But occasionally the wonder has to be translated into real human action so we can actually do something noble with our lives. I guess you just left me hanging. What is the next step, David? And how does Mormonism fit in, if at all?

    BTW — I have incredible admiration for the Danzigs. Thanks for this episode.

  8. Great podcast, and so well told

    Do you think Peter’s Dad would ever do a podcast? Would love to hear his story from his POV

  9. Wonderful podcast, and my all time favorite. Peter and Mary Danzig are beautiful people and I’m grateful they shared their story with us. It was very disturbing to hear of the church abuse concerning his father’s job and the vault. All I can say is WOW.

    I could have listened to this articulate and sincere couple speak all day about their family history and experiences in the church.

    Thank you John for bringing back Mormon Stories!

  10. Yeah, I am so glad you have brought the stories back! This was a wonderful interview. I’m grateful for the Danzigs and their willingness to share their story with us all. They are also very talented musicians and singers! I’m happy they shared their talents as well.

  11. brit-exmo,

    My father is convinced that if he speaks publicly about the abuse he went through he will be excommunicated. I don’t think that is something he is willing to risk.

  12. Another fabulous interview.
    Peter and Mary sound like lovely people. The story of Peter’s father really touched me. I can’t wait to listen to the other parts of the interview. I listen while I’m at the gym – I think I’ll be taking a lot of extra exercise this week!
    Thanks John.

  13. Thank you John, Mary, and Peter for sharing your powerful and touching story with all of us. As a non-Mormon, and one who is not interested in becoming involved with Mormonism, stories such as yours really serve to shed further light on the reality beyond the facades that are painted. Especially in how the LDS leadership treats its own who are not in lockstep behind the brethren, as well as how when mistakes are made, how the victims of such mistakes continue to be treated horribly due to paranoia on behalf of the all-powerful leadership.

    Just to draw a bit of a historical parallel, the story of Peter’s father reminds me more than a little bit of how Josef Stalin treated his imagined “enemies” within Soviet Russia during his reign of terror. Never mind that an injustice was done; the victims of the injustice continue to be punished for life in order to keep them silent about the injustice that was done. And that is sad indeed – especially for a religion whose message purports to be one of love.

    You’ve given me a bunch of insight with what you’ve shared here. For example, given your story, would I ever want one of this religion’s true adherents in the White House where they would have the power to appoint leaders of our investigative and intelligence bodies? Not unless I wanted the Patriot Act to be remembered as a bastion of privacy and civil liberties.

    I’m just horribly, insanely curious as to how the LDS security service managed to get a wiretap installed on Peter’s father’s private home phone.

  14. David, Yes, the music was Mary and I, I don’t remember exactly what we played but I know at least one of the pieces is on our album “Hunter’s Moon” which is available via our website at http://www.OtterCreekDuo.com or for download via Itunes and Amazon.com. Is there a particular song you were interested in, we have a few tracks that aren’t available online at present that I could possibly send you. Contact us via our website and we can chat.



  15. Boy do I feel ripped off. I thought this Podcast featured music from Danzig 🙂 Turns out that “Danzig” and “The Danzigs” are two entirely different groups 🙂

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