In this episode, we continue our in-depth series with historian John G. Turner, author of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. Covering chapter five of his book, we take a deep dive into the claims of the Three and Eight Witnesses to the golden plates. Did they actually see physical plates—or was it a visionary experience?

We explore the early translation period, the role of the Whitmer family, the revelations guiding Joseph Smith, and the complicated testimonies of Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and David Whitmer. Were the golden plates material objects, or were they seen with “spiritual eyes”? We also discuss later accounts, contradictions, and the ongoing debate among scholars and believers.

Highlights:
– The experiences of the Three and Eight Witnesses
– Spiritual vs. physical claims of the plates
– Testimonies, contradictions, and controversies
– What happened to the plates—and the witnesses—afterward

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