Please join us as John and Gerardo respond to a recent interview on the Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown podcast where David Archuleta shared his experience being Mormon and gay.


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00:00:00 Introduction and opening remarks
00:13:25 Six principles of sexual health
00:22:05 The sex positive aspects of Mormonism, and why the Church so often falls short of them
00:31:55 How Natasha came to be in trouble with Mormon leaders
00:38:37 Did Natasha make a “conscious effort to pit her profession against the Church”?
00:51:33 Natasha’s dissimilarities with the Church’s teachings on masturbation
01:00:15 The “values model” approach to pornography as opposed to the Church’s “addiction model”
01:15:41 Comparing the Law of Chastity to the six principles of sexual health
01:28:24 Is evidence-based practice in opposition to the Church? Is there really opposing research on sexual health?
01:41:05 Bigotry in the name of religion is the worst form of taking the Lord’s name in vain
02:00:17 Is the professional responsibility to advocate for one’s clients encouraging a perpetual victimhood that actually nullifies the atonement?
02:10:58 The long history of religion butting heads with science; what it means to “sustain” religious leaders
02:21:20 The idea that God’s laws never change is contrary to Church doctrines about “continuing revelation” and “further light and knowledge”
02:29:23 Mormons benefit from the changes brought about the very people that they labeled apostates and excommunicated
02:32:48 Closing remarks and an invitation to Greg Matsen


  1. Rusty October 25, 2021 at 1:38 pm - Reply

    John, I love your podcasts but I got to tell you the 15 to 20 minutes of disclaimers before you get to the meat or the subject is unnecessary. If people are offended or don’t understand your motives who cares. Let’s get to the subject. Also some of these podcasts could probably be scale down to an hour and a half not sure how you can talk for two hours and 45 minutes about a person who’s not even there.

    OMG John you fell for it the guy who made the donation his name is Lou Skunt???! Lol.

  2. MDJ October 25, 2021 at 5:45 pm - Reply

    Mayim Bialik is known for Blossom, and very recently she played Amy Farrah Fowler on The Big Bang Theory and she is now the new host on Jeopardy.

  3. Lance Steele October 26, 2021 at 9:44 am - Reply

    It is current doctrine that we are told if a gay member lives righteously enough they will be healed or made to overcome their homosexual attractions. We are commanded to get married to a member of the opposite sex in the Temple to receive exaltation. 1st Nephi 3:7 the lord will always prepare a way for you to accomplish whatever you are commanded to do if you are righteous enough and diligent enough. This principle is taught over and over in conference and church and in primary songs. If God commands something he will make it possible for you to do it. Even if explicit teachings of the past by Kimball and others are denounced now this idea is still found in the canonized works. Leaders pretending that they do not teach this pushes the blame from these current teachings onto the victims of these fallacious teachings.

  4. Byron Barker October 26, 2021 at 12:51 pm - Reply

    I guess the biggest question for me is why would David Archuletta interview Mayim Bialik? I’m pretty sure he wasn’t even born when she was in Blossom and they don’t have many religious or scientific philosophies in common.

    Maybe it’s just me, but this seems like an attempt for David to remain relevant in the world where he gave up his fame and career to go on a mission, instead. Choices have consequences, as we all know.

    Yes, I’m blunt, especially to native Utahns, but it is the truth.

  5. Christine October 27, 2021 at 11:10 am - Reply

    No one should have to self-identify as anything; this is forced on the lgbtqia community by society and discrimination. I feel terrible that David feels like he has to be public about this self-discovery which certainly will continue to evolve. The church is partially to blame for this because he’s trying so hard to fit the Mormon mold still that he doesn’t have a chance to explore his sexuality at all, he has to repress himself (there should be a whole study done on religious repression and asexual self-identification), and he’s trying to be as righteous as possible. The more we understand about sexuality and attraction and expression, the harder it becomes to force people into labels, even if those labels are multidimensional. There is simply way too much nuance to simplify it in that way. The church unfortunately is very obsessive about labels and only recognizes VERY LIMITING labels in the first place.

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