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Join us on a fascinating journey with hosts John & Margi Dehlin as we delve into the captivating life of our guest, James Camacho. From his upbringing in a devout Mormon family to becoming an atheist, James shares his struggles with belief, questioning authority, and seeking personal happiness. We explore how his perspective was shaped by his academic achievements and love for mathematics. Discover the eye-opening discussions about the Mormon bubble, doubts about serving a mission, and the profound impact of rationality camps. This interview is a thought-provoking exploration of informed consent, the quest for truth, and the pursuit of authenticity, sure to resonate with those who have grappled with doubt, sought rationality in belief systems, or navigated challenging conversations about faith with loved ones.

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  1. Randall Jones September 5, 2023 at 9:40 am - Reply

    This why Mormon Church lowered missionary age.
    My best friend went on his mission after 2 years at BYU (+/- 1980).
    I worked at a Boy Scout Camp in New Mexico summers age 17-20. I am so attached to the “Ranch” that it never leaves me.
    This is the reason military recruits 18 year olds. The Church lowered missionary age because of the missionaires not the, Misson work.

    In a world maintained by techknowledge. Members will only go so much with an 19th century novel.
    A happier comparison watch “Galaxy Quest, 1999”. Aliens watch a Star Wars like sitcom, think it’s real, build a spaceship, and come to earth to gather the TV crew to “Man the Ship”

  2. Sue Bernstein September 13, 2023 at 7:47 pm - Reply

    This kid is hilarious (charming and bright ). Such fun listening to John engage him in discussion so skillfully. Here’s hoping our young fellow discovers that a college education offers even more than mathematical virtuosity. 😉

  3. Sue Bernstein September 13, 2023 at 8:22 pm - Reply

    John and Margee, you are so very insightful. James prefers certainty…as with mathematical building blocks. Nicely done guys.

  4. Alan September 19, 2023 at 3:10 pm - Reply

    Fun podcast. This kid is interesting, witty, and wickedly smart. Also terribly arrogant. He thinks he is a top 1% programmer at 18? Better than experienced programmers? Typical millennial pride. But he has some good points about church and religion.

    • Maven September 19, 2023 at 7:36 pm - Reply

      James is about 10 years into Gen Z. Millennials are well into their parenting/career years. Time flies, doesn’t it?

  5. Timmy Tim September 20, 2023 at 12:16 pm - Reply

    How are we defining “technology”? Language is a type of technology (spoken and written). Religion is a type of technology. So many non-sciences and soft sciences involved in the development of human technology. Just because it doesnt involve microchips, maths, or data doesnt mean it isnt technology.

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