Are you looking for a story of hope and love to end this gosh-forsaken year? Here you go.

WordPerfect co-founder and philanthropist Bruce Bastian (interviewed here and here) never expected to find love again after his mixed-orientation Mormon marriage dissolved.

Then he met Clint Ford.

This is an epic love story for the ages, folks. So hopeful. So inspiring. I hope you enjoy!!!! And I hope that this story makes you as happy as it made me.

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  1. Dallin December 31, 2020 at 12:43 am - Reply

    John, It’s really ok to say godforsaken. You won’t go to hell for it.

  2. Amy January 3, 2021 at 3:11 pm - Reply

    Loved this interview! More LGBTQ love stories need to be told. I appreciate the integrity and humility of this couple.

  3. Robert February 13, 2021 at 4:39 pm - Reply

    John, you are the best interviewer. I’d just be thinking, “I wish John would ask that,” and then you do! So encouraging to know these guys have found each other. I wish them well.

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