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  1. Your second comment about “single moms, out of wedlock”.

    John, this doesn’t seem to be your tolerant best.

    Mmm.

    1. John’s comment was in regards to couples struggling with infertility and seeing many women get pregnant . It brings with it feelings of sadness and sorrow seeing others get pregnant like teenagers or unwed mothers when it was perhaps an “accidental” pregnancy. Seeing this is very hurtful to a women desperately trying everything to get pregnant.
      I didn’t think it was offensive.

  2. Wow, love this guy. Talk about true “Christ-like” living, he puts his money where his mouth is. He is living and loving, not judging. He has a magnetic personality and I loved this podcast. Also, cannot wait for the Joseph Smith movie to come out! I’ll be first in line!! My guess is that it will be a hit. I also live in the Seattle area and I’ve noticed that more and more people are truly fascinated with the whole history of Mormonism. Even people that have never been Mormon and really don’t have too strong of an affiliation. People are truly interested because they cannot believe how crazy it all sounds yet there are still believers. I think people would love this movie!

  3. Re: priesthood ban on blacks.

    John or Jeremy, might you please also post a link, if it exists, to the letter(s) from Mormon GA’s in answer to local Mormon leaders who were doubting or questioning whether the priesthood ban was “policy” or “doctrine.”

    Thanks.

  4. Small world, the beginning of part 2 was a trip down memory lane. I was in the same ward as Mike and Matt, the 2 vServers employees you mentioned, when they moved to the Atlanta area. I also worked at Interland with them and played golf with your brother-in-law.

    Great episode, thoroughly enjoyed it. Can’t wait to see the film.

  5. Hi,
    I’m hoping John or any listeners could tell me which book by D. Michael Quinn and what pages contain the story about how for several years Apostles had been trying to allow African Americans the priesthood but were voted by senior Apostles.
    Thanks

  6. Jeremy,

    You mentioned Heber J Grant was a self admitted alcoholic? That he drank beer as Prophet Seer & Revalator!

    Could you post the link to that article, history or source where you got that info I would like to add it to my collection of church history!

    Thanks

  7. Great interview!! I related so much with your story in relation to adoption.we were married 10 years before we adopted. The first word you spoke in regards to not having children in a family oriented church.. DEVASTATED. Truly that Word says it all. We adopted our daughter through Lds family services. I felt The feelings of having the baby placed in my arms from the biological mother, Knowing she’s Feeling pain and sorrow and we are feeling amazing joy. Unbelievable! Your story was just to similar. Thank you for sharing your journey and your story. We can all learn from each other as we are all more alike than different.

  8. Another great interview of another of the “best and brightest” the LDS Mormon church has lost.

    Once again, there are SO many things I can relate to in yet another one of these interviews. It’s SO reaffirming and vindicating! Thanks to Jeremy for sharing!

    One comment on the JS movie idea, I’ve often had a similar thought; that you couldn’t write a better script if you paid all the writers in Hollywood. However; please, please don’t try to do this as a single movie or even three movies! This needs to be a two or three season Netflix or HBO series. Otherwise, I believe you’ll end up having to truncate/condense too much of the important detail.

    1. +1
      The JS story has everything to make a good story, from manipulation to power hunger to crime to sex. This could be made into a fantastic movie, if one simply stays with the facts, and the church does not manage to stop it, due to copy rights.

  9. Thanks for sharing your story, Jeremy. Leaving mormonism can be a shattering experience. I’m glad to hear you and your wife have found your way.
    I share your fascination with wine–it is history, chemistry, geology, microbiology, astronomy, physics, sweat, love, politics, family, money and religion in a bottle. Each one marking a time, place, and people on this earth; each bottle alive and changing year by year.
    I do have one quibble, though. The word “dry” in relation to wine describes it’s lack of sweetness, or residual sugar after fermentation. It is not related to the level of tannin, which comes from exposure of the juice to grape stems, seeds, skins and oak barrels. Tannins have an astringent quality, and do, in fact leave your mouth with a dry sensation. But the word dry, as a descriptor of wine, means little or no residual sugar. Ok. Pedantic education is over.
    Here’s to walking our path, finding connection with family and friends, and living joyfully in this life. Cheers!

  10. I have listened to a lot of these podcasts, and as an outsider I continue to be stunned by how people’s circles of family, friends, colleagues, can just disintegrate based on the level of religious participation in this church. It is just outside by realm of experience to be completely surrounded in all these arenas by people who adhere to such a rigid standard of identity and connection to this church that it is so devastating to step out of it even temporarily and be harassed by others to prove their loyalty or be gone from their lives, even down to the children’s friendships.

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